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Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Andrew Clarkson » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:13 am

About 15 years after a Hempfield family acquired a gold locket they believed belonged to a Titanic survivor, they might have solved the mystery of its ownership.

The round locket engraved with the letters "AWA" or "AMA" in intricate script might have been owned by Titanic survivor Annie Moore Ward of Philadelphia, they say.

The necklace is just one piece of Betty and Buz Carbone's cherished Titanic collection, which includes a lump of coal from the ship and newspapers detailing the tragedy.

Ward, who was 38 in April 1912, served as a personal maid for first-class passenger Charlotte Wardle Cardeza of Chestnut Hill in Philadelphia.

Cardeza also survived when the world's largest passenger liner struck an iceberg and sank in the North Atlantic Ocean, according to the Encyclopedia Titanica online, a repository of information relating to the ship.

Read more; http://triblive.com/news/1909596-74/war ... -ship-1912
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Eric K. Longo » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:09 am

What am I missing - matching initials and...?

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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Eric K. Longo » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:34 am

a scrap of paper...and what is the last "A"?

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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Aly Jones » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:03 am

The engraved letters were 'AWA' surly It was not misspelled?
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Eric K. Longo » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:19 am

Hi Aly,

Yes, "AWA", but what is the last "A" for?

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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Aly Jones » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:05 am

Leads me to believe the gold locket has nothing to do with Annie Moore Ward.
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Eric K. Longo » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:09 am

Hi Aly,

I am with you - until some more solid evidence turns up. From what I read it could be anything. Remove that slip of paper and it is certainly anything.

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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Aly Jones » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:23 am

Specially when It states
About 15 years after a Hempfield family acquired a gold locket they believed belonged to a Titanic survivor, they might have solved the mystery of its ownership.

The round locket engraved with the letters "AWA" or "AMA" in intricate script might have been owned by Titanic survivor Annie Moore Ward of Philadelphia, they say.

Just people believing they had found something Titanic related without any prove. The Letter symbols engrave don't even much the ladies initials.

Same Eric, I wished there were some kind of link that actually connects this gold locket to her Annie M W. A photograph with her holding it or wearing it or even family members that have valid story handed down to them.
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby VW1956 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:44 pm

Hello. I have been staring at this for a while and I can see the letters AGNA. Ken.
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Eric K. Longo » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:43 pm

Hi Ken,

Well, then someone better write these people! With their logic that is indisputable proof it was a souvenir purchased aboard the Ministry of War Transport S.S. Agna of 1941 (previously named Empire Cameron 1941-1946 and St. Margret 1946-1960). ;)

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PS - That is just a ridiculously stylized "W" Ken; The "AWA" is made of no less than 11 individual engraved strokes with an additional 15 or so embellishments (not counting the tiniest stuff!). The start of the "W" is actually left of the first "A" and is a bit confusing. Trace it out on your screen with a pen cap. The way I think this engraver charged by the stroke! ;)
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby VW1956 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:40 pm

Hello Eric. What other people see as a "W" I still see as "GN". There are no connections between the G and the N, well not obvious connections. I did mean to google AGNA to see if it meant anything. Ken.
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Eric K. Longo » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:19 pm

Hi Ken,

I am in error I think. The start of the "W" I see is not to the left of the first "A" but is a highly stylized second cross stroke of the "A". I will try to render it in color.

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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Eric K. Longo » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:04 am

Hi Ken,

I did this quick for you. My hands are not so steady anymore! Red "A", blue "W" and green "A" - the "W" really plays with the eyes as I see it. I just realized I should have used colors that are less complimentary to each other instead of these. The cross bar on the "A" is an obvious heart shape when viewed on its left side. Let me know if you see what I see.
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby VW1956 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:16 pm

Hello Eric. The reason I think the middle letters are GN is because there is no clear point at the botton (on the left side) if the middle letter were a W as there is a point at the bottom on the right side (if it were a W). Where as you could write the first and last letter without lifting the pen from the paper (apart from the crossing for the A's.) The bottom of the G scrolls over the N and the first A. The left bottom of the N scrolls over the G. If the middle letter is a W then why would there be two scrolly bits on top of each other. Also if it was a W then wouldn't the two upper parts have the same shape? Ken.
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Re: Titanic answer possible for locket

Postby Shaheed » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:42 pm

Hello Everyone!!

To me it looks like the locket says AGNA. My two cents since im new here :)
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