First class inviting 3d class to dinner?

[nboal]

Yup, that is indeed an extreme case, Ken... But even if Mr. Astor had really brought a 3rd-class friend of his on board, I think the invitation card or even signage in the 1st-class dining room would have stated that lower-class people were prohibited from entering... And like what Eric said, health reasons may be another factor as well...

I cannot imagine such a scenario happening on the cruise ships and ocean liners of today, to be honest... In most present-day ships, I can say that everyone, regardless of class / gender / cabin type / etc. can mingle with one another in ALL areas of the vessel... Whether it's the casino, restaurants, swimming pool, main lobby, or leisure areas, no one area is out of bounds to passengers, except for the boiler room and "Crow's Nest"!

If you say segregation, the only way people are differentiated in today's ships are just based on the cabin they are staying in, whether a windowless "standard" stateroom or the luxury suite, lol!

I haven't yet traveled on a modern cruise. But from what I've read, most of the cruise lines have made most of the restaurants, casinos, swimming pools, etc. into "add-ons" where a passenger has to pay extra money in order to get in. So getting into the fancy accommodations still depends upon who has how much cash (or credit, if they accept credit cards) available.

[Lynn_M]

How truthful Is this-

1st class passengers inviting 3rd class to dinner? Were 1st class allowed to do such a thing? Which was predicted in 1997 Titanic.

It would never happen, except in ridiculous films directed by James Cameron

[Aly Jones]

I could safely say, your right, Lynn M

[nboal]

How truthful Is this-

1st class passengers inviting 3rd class to dinner? Were 1st class allowed to do such a thing? Which was predicted in 1997 Titanic.

It would never happen, except in ridiculous films directed by James Cameron

Actually, in the film, very few in First Class knows that Jack Dawson comes from Steerage. One of the First Class men asks Jack, "are you from the Boston Dawsons?" Jack replies, "no, I'm from the Chippewa Falls Dawsons." Then Rose's mother let the cat out of the bag that Jack come from Steerage.

[Aly Jones]

And he was never kicked out after the cat was let out of the bag? In real time, he would had been chucked out back to 3rd. Where would 3rd class passenger even broused themselves up to look like the part of a 1st class passenger? 3rd class only owned shaggy clothes never rearly bathe and had little money, even there accomodation would had hider them I trying to transfer themselves into 1st class.

And it was only a movie.

Really, I ask a stupid question.

[joshua]

I don't think Steerage would've mixed with 1st but in situation of the Laroches where they had 1st class on another ship but were transferred, I think I recall reading that they had a 2nd class cabin but dined in 1st class.

[Aly Jones]

Second class were virtually seen as 1st class, I think?

[Dave Gittins]

I'm reading Gary Cooper's Titanic Captain and I found an interesting tale.

Before a voyage on Olympic, Captain Smith's nephew gave him a letter of introduction to a Mrs Brookfield, a passenger. Captain Smith arranged for her to have a place at his table. He then found she was in second class and so she didn't get the place. Captain Smith contented himself with seeing she was OK in second class. It seems rules were rules!

[Aly Jones]

I'm guessing 2nd class were only allowed to use 1st class luxury leisure Items but had to dine in their own 2nd class dinning saloon?

[Eric K. Longo]

Hi Aly,

On the Mauretania second class were way aft and had their own separate lounge, smoking room, library etc.

Best wishes,
Eric

[VW1956]

He then found she was in second class and so she didn't get the place.

My admiration of Captain Smith has gone down a few notches if this is true. Ken.

[Dave Gittins]

According to Gary Cooper it's documented. Captain Smith was a good company man and maybe he saw it as the thin edge of a big wedge.

[Michael H. Standart]

>>My admiration of Captain Smith has gone down a few notches if this is true. Ken.<<

I'm at a loss to understand why. In that day, there were some lines that you just didn't cross, even if you were the skipper. Certain customs, conventions, and protocols which would be laughed at now were taken very seriously. Captain Smith was a product of that cultural mindset.

[shipbuilder]

And he was quite correct! If he had put a 2nd class passneger on his table, at least some of the 1st class passengers at his table would have started "bellyaching" about it. Furthermore, if wind of it got down to tourist, there would always be a few of them demanding that they dined in 1st class. It was nothing to do with snobbery. If you pay a vast amoount to travel in 1st class, you don't expect someone paying a fraction of the fare to get the same treatment. I have sailed with a Countess in tourist, but even she did not take the liberty of wanting to eat in 1st class!
Bob

[Aly Jones]

That would had been hard for Smith to do! Say no to a lady after he had invited her to his table, I guess rules are rules and all must fellow them including the captain.