Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby NORRIE3699 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:35 pm

Hi Ioannis,

I agree that there may have just been a culture clash with the way we word our messages so no worries :-p I've e-mailed the company who produced the receipt, granted they are all modern but it's worth a chance. They e-mailed back asking to see photos of the item so fingers crossed they 'might' have more clues lol

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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby Eric K. Longo » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:54 am

Hello again,

Be advised there are several companies out there who will lay claims as suppliers of all sorts of stuff for Titanic, like the company I mentioned - Pirkenhammer. They also claim to have supplied things for Titanic. Its just that it is pure fancy...one person who had a small Pirkenhammer plate was convinced it must be from the ship simply because it could not be proven it wasn't. The plates are marked "Titanic" on the reverse - it was the name of the style or pattern etc. They are all over eBay. One casino actually bought one for a large sum of money - simply because Pirkenhammer makes this false claim! :( This was long ago - I believe I have the essential facts straight though.

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Eric
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby MAB » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:10 am

Hmmmm...

NORRIE3699 wrote:One of the billiard tables on the Titanic was made by this company.
There were billiard tables on Titanic? I wasn't aware of that. How many and where were they?
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby Ioannis Georgiou » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:36 am

Eric K. Longo wrote: Be advised there are several companies out there who will lay claims as suppliers of all sorts of stuff for Titanic, like the company I mentioned - Pirkenhammer.


A museum in Germany has also the "Titanic" organ. The story goes that this organ was build for the Titanic but the builder became ill and the organ did not make it in time before the maiden voyage. The organ was planned to be fitted on the aft wall of the A Deck landing of the forward 1st class staircase. The story is very odd and there are not letters from H&W only from the "builder" without any date and some other strange anomalies and some other things...
To make it short, this organ was not for Titanic, never planned to be one on Titanic and it is again one of the made up story's.
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby Eric K. Longo » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:14 am

Hi Ioannis,

Like that Mauretania's Captain's table which is bigger than his quarters! ;)

Best wishes,
Eric
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby The Walrus » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:50 pm

It's a very vague connection, if any at all. Does anyone know how common the name Andrews was in Belfast at the time?
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby VW1956 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:17 pm

Hello The Walrus. I just looked ata site that gives the top 100 Irish names for the 1900's and Andrews is not there which does not mean that there were not a lot of Andrews people about. The site was "Irish Central". I still cant do links even though Aly told me how to. Ken.
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby The Walrus » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:22 pm

VW1956 wrote: I still cant do links even though Aly told me how to. Ken.


That's OK. I'll see what I can find based on the information you've given. Cheers, Ken.

By the way - you may call me Ryan.
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby NORRIE3699 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:59 pm

Hi Ryan,

Thankyou I appreciate it a lot. I am waiting for another e-mail from a historian who has a lot of knowledge of the Andrew's family.

I'd really appreciate all the info I can possibly gather. Thankyou
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby The Walrus » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:04 pm

I had a quick look at the site mentioned by Ken, but couldn't find much more than a passage on Thomas Andrews. So I looked up my own surname and found nothing - which is very surprising considering the fact that it was little more than 400 years ago, we were practically Royalty.
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby Ioannis Georgiou » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:15 pm

NORRIE3699 wrote: I am waiting for another e-mail from a historian who has a lot of knowledge of the Andrew's family.


Thanks for the update! Looking forward to see what you can find out!
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby Ioannis Georgiou » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:20 pm

Eric K. Longo wrote:Hi Ioannis,

Like that Mauretania's Captain's table which is bigger than his quarters! ;)

Best wishes,
Eric


Hi Eric,

sound a little like with the organ. It was Mark Chirnside who noticed that it was too big for the placed claimed to have been placed. Another point which made the story odd.

Strange that it was not claimed that it was the table for Captain Smith for the Titanic! You normally would always hear first that this and that was for the Titanic, as if there were no other ships!

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Ioannis

P.S.: Possibly you got the story wrong and the table was not for his quarters but for the bridge, so that they can have the 5 o'clock tea there! :D
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby The Walrus » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:24 pm

Ioannis Georgiou wrote:
Strange that it was not claimed that it was the table for Captain Smith for the Titanic! You normally would always hear first that this and that was for the Titanic, as if there were no other ships!



I saw an episode of Antiques Roadshow from Southampton a number of years ago. One of the things brought in by someone was a magnificent table that had been brought from Belfast aboard the Titanic as the "Captain's Table", but it didn't fit anywhere, so it was off-loaded. It was valued at a few hundred quid as a piece on it's own, but priceless with the connection.
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby VW1956 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:33 pm

Hello. Just wondering as William Pirrie and Bruce Ismay met to discuss the possibility of building the Olympic class ships in 1907. Would parts for a billiard table be one of the first things to be ordered?

Hello Norrie3699. Please don't take my post above as being negative. It was some thing I was thinking about today. Ken.
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Re: Possible Genuine Titanic (or sister ship) Receipt ?

Postby NORRIE3699 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:44 pm

Hi Ken,

Nope no worries :-) Thankyou. I am reading each comment and taking note of the good comments.

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